On Episode 85 of the Enormocast, I sit down with Austrian climber Barbara Zangerl. Barbara started off an obsessive phenom boulderer, but now she climbs hard, long, scary routes, and she’s no slouch on the sport routes, either. And, she recently dialed in the cracks, as well. Babsi, as she is also known, helps me understand the Austrian zeitgeist and what it takes to keep trying wenn alle Stricke reißen. She’s always looking for the new challenge, including speaking English to an American for an hour, and that’s why we love her.