On Episode 157, I sit down in Bishop California with adventure climber and long lost friend, Katie Lambert, for a raucous, story-filled interview. Katie recounts her journey from the distinctly climbingless State of Louisiana to Toulumne and Yosemite Valley. Katie tells of her travails trying to get into America’s Hat, climbing in the Northwest Territories and more. She has been running clinics at the Women’s Climbing Festival and explains why its important that women find each other in climbing. Finally, Katie show’s us the essence of life and death at #katiesgrosspicsofinstagram
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10 Replies to “Episode 157: Katie Lambert – Face Yourself.”
Not gonna lie, I saw this and let out a “Fuck yeah” in my cubicle. Stoked to listen. Keep the rad content coming.
@39:35 “I lot of brown skinned people in here. . . and like us…. and like this is not good”. What narrative are you trying to portray by denoting the color of the prisoners’ skin color?
I think its clear that she was commiserating with those people and understanding that they had been unfairly profiled and were probably going to get more serious treatment than her to boot. That is the narrative. In my experience travelling the world, it is not just an American or Canadian narrative. Even in South America, the “browner” skin people AKA the natives, or those with native features, get the shaft as well.
I’d bet just about anything that even a cursory study of Canadian border practices would show a hugely disproportionate amount of minorities get special scrutiny. And we know what happens here in the States just by watching the news.
To preface my initial comment, I don’t know Katie personally and I’ve never had a dialogue with her, so my response is coming from a limited perspective – I get it. And though I agree with you on the points on global perceptions of people with darker skin tones, I disagree with you that she clearly articulated a stance of commiseration. Superficially hearing her comment could easily be interpreted as, “we’re in this holding cell with a bunch of scary brown people, and like us… this isn’t good”. You might not hear it because you have the bias of knowing her, but her comment wasn’t well received, especially in a social climate where racially nuanced snippets are highly scrutinized.
P.S. She said it twice…
More perspective on Katie here. https://matadornetwork.com/notebook/35-moments-age-35/ Including the fact that she has an openly gay father who owned an R and B record store, and has Lebanese heritage.
Though, I think the interview as a whole puts those comments in perspective. No, she does not come out and say, “by the way, I’m not racist.” People who do that often are, in fact. But one has to take the measure of a person and they’re attitudes and accomplishments.
I rarely or ever edit any specific comments from shows, though it didn’t even occur to me to do that here. But I’m am certainly not as sensitive as most when it comes to being offended in general, and I suppose my white maleness in general makes me a bit obtuse to race and gender comments. Certainly, mentioning race in any context is tricky. But I have often thought the phrase “brown people” in it generality and banality reveals the absurdity of racial bigotry. Especially since so many white folks desperately want to be browner and spend billions working on it.
Do you think i should have, or should edit that from the show?
I don’t know Katie. I 100% read this moment as her acknowledging profiling that was happening around her and lamenting in equal measure the shittiness of the profiling and of the situation she had on her hands with the authorities (the profiling she calls out being further evidence of their shittiness).
Thanks for the comment. I agree with your take.
I interpreted her statement as one of commiserating, too. Maybe because my default reaction when I hear facts such as those is that, of course, people of racial and ethnic minorities generally tend to be discriminated against.
BTW, just as you finished your description of your fatal deer strike, a deer crossed the road right in front of me. Fortunately, it was light out and we both escaped without injury.
Whew. We also escaped with only mental scaring and a cracked grill.
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