On Episode 221 of the Enormocast, I manage to sit down face to face and maskless with Lor Sabourin. Lor’s recent send of East Coast Fist Bump in Northern Arizona piqued my interest and a tip from Mary Eden got them in the room. Originally from Detroit, Michigan, like so many kids before, Lor started out in the gym. They quickly progressed to climbing and then guiding in the Red River Gorge. After a fateful trip to Indian Creek where they fell in love with crack climbing, Lor now calls Flagstaff, AZ home. During most of Lor’s climbing career, they have wrestled with being open about their non-binary gender, but in recent years, Lor has been open about gender, climbing, and advocacy for trans people and kids which has lead them to a healthier relationship with both themself and climbing.